Potential criminalisation of dominatrixes??

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Getting back to the main point, surely such laws would only push prostitution further underground, and even Dommes would have to be the same. But what of Doms in the same situation?

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8 hours ago, eyemblacksheep said:

  There are sex trafficking laws.  And, to be honest, people obsess over sex trafficking but it's by far not the biggest industry to benefit from trafficking.   Fishing, Farming, Restaurant Work, Warehouse Work all use more trafficked staff than the sex industry.

They're nearly always packaged as a way to protect ***, or women, or young girls - and overall do more harm than good.

The Nordic Model might claim to be about trafficking, it's not. It's about controlling sex work.

Whilst it's temporarily long-grassed, the Age Verification for websites in the UK was claimed to 'protect ***' - it wasnt.

That we are not constantly looking over our shoulders is down to some of the battles that have been won over the years - but that's a freedom we might not always be able to take for granted....

You are right.   It's like BDSM and contact sports like boxing.   One is seen as generally acceptable (although I believe boxing is banned in Sweden!)  but the other (consensual BDSM) is pretty much demonized by the law.   

And yes, many workers.....often from foreign countries....are exploited and treated like slaves when the jobs they do have nothing to do with sex.

One reason may be that sex just doesnt make *** for Governments or certain individuals.  But sports like boxing do.

But  i believe we also live in more conservative times, even though UK laws covering sex and sex work have always veered on the conservative side compared to many European countries.

*** are always used as an excuse for passing a restrictive law when it's really about controlling adults and what they do.

And yet...... some laws are still needed or there would be no protection for those most *** at all!

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I remember from a few years ago in the UK even the WI were saying it should be legalised to stop a lot of the exploitation that does happen, there was a TV program about it, they even went as far as rigging out a mobile , well brothel for want of a proper word, in effect a converted mobile library, some say the older generation are against it but I've seen that many do actually believe it should be legalised

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28 minutes ago, quietlysure said:

I remember from a few years ago in the UK even the WI were saying it should be legalised to stop a lot of the exploitation that does happen, there was a TV program about it, they even went as far as rigging out a mobile , well brothel for want of a proper word, in effect a converted mobile library, some say the older generation are against it but I've seen that many do actually believe it should be legalised

It should certainly be de-criminalised.   This country the UK,  is so conservative about sex I cant ever see that happening to be honest.

Another thing is, laws dont stop people from engaging in certain activities.....they simply drive those activities, or that community, underground.    It becomes a secret sub-culture, but one that,  as eyeblacksheep says, is constantly having to look over its shoulder for that knock on the door!

That situation is far from ideal..

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boxing etc are frowned upon if they aren't strictly regulated and of course the infliction of damage on a *** person is banned, there's a referee to stop the activity when that happens so don't think its entirely economics, more a case of any sacrifice by someone else is acceptible

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Are there professional Dom men too? Would it apply to them?

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I imagine there are, the same as there are professional subs, though Dom's and subs don't seem to advertise as much

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1 minute ago, quietlysure said:

I imagine there are, the same as there are professional subs, though Dom's and subs don't seem to advertise as much

do you mean Dommes advertise more than subs or male ones advertise less than female ones?

 

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1 minute ago, Kymi said:

do you mean Dommes advertise more than subs or male ones advertise less than female ones?

 

I am not sure myself.  I have seen male BDSM Doms advertising on Twitter and they demand payment.  There is certainly a very commercial community on Twitter.

I personally would not pay a male Dom to play with me.  But i think there has been an uptake in recent years!

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1 minute ago, TammyNatalia said:

I am not sure myself.  I have seen male BDSM Doms advertising on Twitter and they demand payment.  There is certainly a very commercial community on Twitter.

I personally would not pay a male Dom to play with me.  But i think there has been an uptake in recent years!

i've seen very few myself advertising as pro doms, and none at all as pro subs-except for those of us who have some kind of trans id or cd role

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3 hours ago, quietlysure said:

Getting back to the main point, surely such laws would only push prostitution further underground, and even Dommes would have to be the same. But what of Doms in the same situation?

Yes, that's right.  That's the problem.  

So, SESTA/FOSTA for example - there's rules this website has to follow to comply, ditto for Fetlife, Craiglist, Adultwork, backpage got shut down.  But these were all channels the FBI could monitor for potential trafficking.  The restrictions took those tools away - as a lot of things went underground again.

So stuff like Nordic Model, is being seen to do something but it doesn't solve the problem - just moves it. 

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Overall it seems that Dommes advertise far more than Doms or subs, don't know the reason why

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2 hours ago, quietlysure said:

I remember from a few years ago in the UK even the WI were saying it should be legalised to stop a lot of the exploitation that does happen, there was a TV program about it, they even went as far as rigging out a mobile , well brothel for want of a proper word, in effect a converted mobile library, some say the older generation are against it but I've seen that many do actually believe it should be legalised

Yep - in the UK we have Brothel laws and they're also counter-productive.  Brothels were a good way to help keep people safe.   

 

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Then I'm guessing it also depends on the definition of sex, as in does a Domme provide a purely sexual service, or something more nuanced, this changes with who you talk to, 

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And what definition of sex you choose to use

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1 hour ago, JennyWren710 said:

Are there professional Dom men too? Would it apply to them?

yes, it would.  And, yes there are.

There's been a few comments on Male Dominants - so.

Whilst those who pay for sex or services aren't all male, certainly the majority are.  So any male Dominant (or Male SWere in general) is going to have to be happy with mostly male clients.

Obviously, of course, many are.   But then this gets a lot more into gay circles - which is not somewhere where we're so often looking.

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3 minutes ago, quietlysure said:

And what definition of sex you choose to use

but "you" in this instance, is often the councils and the police.

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16 minutes ago, quietlysure said:

Overall it seems that Dommes advertise far more than Doms or subs, don't know the reason why

I've mentioned above on Doms.  For subs... most escorts will do assorted sub services.  

Again, steering off topic but I've a lot of respect for pro-subs because there are a lot of risks and it involves a lot of trust.  Obviously all sex work carries risk - but this is someone who could be expected to be bound and restrained. 

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Then if in court a suspect (a Domme or prostitute) was insistent that sex was purely an *** act of reproduction, the sole reason being to produce ***, and there was no chance of this happening, it would create an interesting arguement in law, unless this has already happened

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23 minutes ago, quietlysure said:

Then I'm guessing it also depends on the definition of sex, as in does a Domme provide a purely sexual service, or something more nuanced, this changes with who you talk to, 

I have seen a couple of pro male Doms on Twitter who advertise BDSM services for women.  They ask for payment but they say they do not provide sexual services.

But what would the law define as a sexual service?  A spanking? Bondage? Intercourse?  What passes as a 'sexual' service is a grey area in my opinion!

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Plus in the case of Dommes, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of high profile people that would push for exemptions in this case

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1 minute ago, quietlysure said:

Plus in the case of Dommes, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of high profile people that would push for exemptions in this case

Haha.  You bet they would.  They always love to break the rules they impose on the rest of us....these high profile people.  Lol

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I can see it in court now, " Mistress Vixen, I sentence you to 8 months in prison for prostitution, but before you go come to my chambers, I've been a very naughty boy...."

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22 minutes ago, TammyNatalia said:

I have seen a couple of pro male Doms on Twitter who advertise BDSM services for women.  They ask for payment but they say they do not provide sexual services.

Yep - though, they probably don't get many customers  Whilst not a new thing, there's a rise in guys who have had this lightbulb "I can do that" moment and list themselves as escorts, or Doms under a "nothing to lose" monicker.  

 

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19 minutes ago, TammyNatalia said:

Haha.  You bet they would.  They always love to break the rules they impose on the rest of us....these high profile people.  Lol

All I'm saying is... well..

MI5 is located near a lot of sex and fetish clubs and shops

Although they moved, the former Labour Party HQ was right  next door to where *** Garden was hosted.