Is there a difference between a Dom and an Alpha

[fi****]

If a Dom doesn't do aftercare, they're not a Dom.
Alpha isn't sexual. To me it's just what the above says about being a leader in all aspects. Or taking charge.
Alpha types don't need to say they're alpha.
Id argue someone that's an alpha male can be a cuck in the bedroom.
It's not related to physical *** or intimidation.

So to reiterate. A Dominant is someone that takes control in the bedroom.
An alpha is someone that takes the initiative/control in normal life.

[TheBookCollector]

1 minute ago, fiftyshadesofcaramel said:

If a Dom doesn't do aftercare, they're not a Dom.
Alpha isn't sexual. To me it's just what the above says about being a leader in all aspects. Or taking charge.
Alpha types don't need to say they're alpha.
Id argue someone that's an alpha male can be a cuck in the bedroom.
It's not related to physical *** or intimidation.

So to reiterate. A Dominant is someone that takes control in the bedroom.
An alpha is someone that takes the initiative/control in normal life.

The theory about Alphas has been disproved and debunked for decades therefore the term Alpha has no basis.

[Se****]

48 minutes ago, TheBookCollector said:

The theory about Alphas has been disproved and debunked for decades therefore the term Alpha has no basis.

Give it a rest. Nobody should be taking you seriously on here, as you think aftercare is a kink (according to your profile). Your meaningless tirades are undercutting the messages of actual Doms who are trying to help this newcomer out. Ignore this troll, AlphaWolf_01

[TheBookCollector]

8 minutes ago, SensationDom34 said:

Give it a rest. Nobody should be taking you seriously on here, as you think aftercare is a kink (according to your profile). Your meaningless tirades are undercutting the messages of actual Doms who are trying to help this newcomer out. Ignore this troll, AlphaWolf_01

So because ive stated that there is research that debunks the whole alpha nonsense im a troll.

The sooner you and people like you stop buying into the whole alpha concept the better, i can only wonder why you are so butt hurt about the Alpha business being shot down does it offend your ego?

[Ba****]

Glad to see all the YouTube videos on "how to be more alpha" are actually being watched🥲. I guess we also know who's been watching them.

[dominionhub]

23 hours ago, CopperKnob said:

Geez, moderators can't moderate but they sensor this kind of thing 🤦‍♀️

The censor is automatic. It happens with pretty innocuous words, particularly given the whole point of this forum.

*Following to read more later.

[Hezzair]

I'd highly recommend getting a more experienced Dom as a mentor as you seem to have much to learn.

[Ba****]

Alpha is an early draft, created to identify issues, unsafe for the general public. A Dominant is considered, considerate, steady… the end result. It’s really that simple. Most female presenting subs won’t touch anyone who identifies as an alpha.

[J-****]

This thread is an absolute joke. “There’s no such thing as an alpha and it’s been discredited” blah blah blah. Discredited by whom? Go watch the lion documentary on appletv that shows only the dominant male lion in the pride gets to breed with the females and then come back and say that again. An alpha (male or female) is the person who walks into a business meeting (or a debate), shows that everyone else in there is an idiot, and sends them running with their tails between their legs. Alpha is a position achieved within a social structure, whereas dominance is a behavior. Someone can be an alpha at work, and be a complete cuck in the bedroom (or vice versa).

[Ba****]

30 minutes ago, J-Dean said:

This thread is an absolute joke. “There’s no such thing as an alpha and it’s been discredited” blah blah blah. Discredited by whom? Go watch the lion documentary on appletv that shows only the dominant male lion in the pride gets to breed with the females and then come back and say that again. An alpha (male or female) is the person who walks into a business meeting (or a debate), shows that everyone else in there is an idiot, and sends them running with their tails between their legs. Alpha is a position achieved within a social structure, whereas dominance is a behavior. Someone can be an alpha at work, and be a complete cuck in the bedroom (or vice versa).

Try reading studies and theories of Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky. Alpha creatures are only possible within 1 social circle (1 wolf pack or 1 lion pride for example) whereas humans operate in multiple social circles. Furthermore, an alpha ranks above all other members of the group with the other members either all having their place within the hierarchical system or are all of equal value.
Humans have evolved and are more complex than this. Did you even try to check your facts before writing that drivel?

[ey****]

6 hours ago, BackRubsNBruises said:

Furthermore, an alpha ranks above all other members of the group with the other members either all having their place within the hierarchical system or are all of equal value.

Absolutely.

The alpha would also be responsible for making sure no one is left behind and helping pull each other up

Not make people look like idiots so they can flex.

[CopperKnob]

12 hours ago, J-Dean said:

This thread is an absolute joke. “There’s no such thing as an alpha and it’s been discredited” blah blah blah. Discredited by whom? Go watch the lion documentary on appletv that shows only the dominant male lion in the pride gets to breed with the females and then come back and say that again. An alpha (male or female) is the person who walks into a business meeting (or a debate), shows that everyone else in there is an idiot, and sends them running with their tails between their legs. Alpha is a position achieved within a social structure, whereas dominance is a behavior. Someone can be an alpha at work, and be a complete cuck in the bedroom (or vice versa).

Of all the ***s you could have chosen 🤣
The social structure of lions is, whilst not as advanced as humans, complex. The lions existence is wholly dependent upon territory (not dominance) which is en***d by various behaviours
Faecal deposits
Spraying urine and
Scraping the ground
All of which are behaviours displayed by both the female and male of this species, just as it is in dogs, which are descendants of wolves where the whole "alpha" argument originally stemmed from.
I would suggest that "research" is conducted by either research papers or, first hand experience working with such ***s (the lions, not the dogs), not Appletv

[Ba****]

3 minutes ago, CopperKnob said:

Of all the ***s you could have chosen 🤣
The social structure of lions is, whilst not as advanced as humans, complex. The lions existence is wholly dependent upon territory (not dominance) which is en***d by various behaviours
Faecal deposits
Spraying urine and
Scraping the ground
All of which are behaviours displayed by both the female and male of this species, just as it is in dogs, which are descendants of wolves where the whole "alpha" argument originally stemmed from.
I would suggest that "research" is conducted by either research papers or, first hand experience working with such ***s (the lions, not the dogs), not Appletv

Adding to this, wasn’t it a study on captive wolves that led to the term alpha being used in the first place? And even the man responsible for the study ended up saying he was wrong?

[CopperKnob]

5 minutes ago, BackRubsNBruises said:

Adding to this, wasn’t it a study on captive wolves that led to the term alpha being used in the first place? And even the man responsible for the study ended up saying he was wrong?

I believe so, without looking it up I wouldn't quote me about the who, but it was definitely wolves.
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Something else that's just occurred to me, it's always male presenting profiles that continue to argue the whole alpha thing....

[ey****]

3 hours ago, BackRubsNBruises said:

Adding to this, wasn’t it a study on captive wolves that led to the term alpha being used in the first place? And even the man responsible for the study ended up saying he was wrong?

yes, that's right

the study was done on captive wolves and it was found that behaviours were different in the wild (ie. natural habitat)

Effectively, some of the behaviours in captive wolves are similar to if you throw people into prison with no prior relationships or friendship, structure etc. 

[Wy****]

The Alpha designation seems to wear a lot of different hats in the kink/bdsm space (overlapping with the poly/enm space as well)

[Wy****]

I’d say it loosely refers to the top of some sort of hierarchical structure whereas a Dominant is a term specific to the lead or person towards whom the power/control flows to within a dynamic. I’m not sure why people get caught up on the wolf stuff. Probably because the alpha/beta/sigma people try to use it as some sort of biological predeterminstic explaining for their buffoonery, but I don’t think it really matters much to the overall point. People take terms from one space and use it for other (sometimes only loosely associated) things all the time.

[J-****]

Dictionary definition of Alpha: “being the most dominant, powerful, or assertive person in a particular group.” The most powerful, not the most helpful, “lift people up” person. You live in fantasyland.

[BruiseWayne]

On 10/8/2024 at 8:21 PM, J-Dean said:

This thread is an absolute joke. “There’s no such thing as an alpha and it’s been discredited” blah blah blah. Discredited by whom?

Only by the guy who came up with the theory/classificaion in the first place, that's all.

 

The person you described in your hypothetical there sounds like they're probably kind of an overbearing hyper aggressive douchebag or an asshole too, so yeah I guess that's a pretty accurate representation of what an 'Alpha' is.

Edited October 10 by BruiseWayne

[Ba****]

4 hours ago, J-Dean said:

Dictionary definition of Alpha: “being the most dominant, powerful, or assertive person in a particular group.” The most powerful, not the most helpful, “lift people up” person. You live in fantasyland.

Hi, I’m going to use very simple language for this one. The word alpha is originally the first letter of the Greek alphabet. It was given the meaning you are using in 1947 by Rudolf schenkel, a German biologist. (If you don’t follow “science”, you can’t really use a scientist to prove an argument fyi).
It was Schenkel himself (in the same year) who said he was wrong. I’m not going into the reasons but google is free if you want to check it out for yourself.
If we go back to google and type the words “what is an alpha”, it won’t give you the definition you want. You have to type “what is an alpha adjective personality” and your top hits will come from quora (which is opinion over fact) and pop psychology sites (which you won’t believe because “science”).
Now, let’s consider your example of the hummingbird. They are a solitary bird, meaning they don’t move in groups, so trying to use them in this argument is pointless. They cannot exhibit a group heirarchy if they don’t have a group. What you are seeing is a territory battle. And is most likely to be a female chasing off an unwanted suitor.
Can I ask, which dictionary did you get your definition from, because I actually couldn’t find that, which is super weird.

[TheBookCollector]

2 hours ago, BackRubsNBruises said:

Hi, I’m going to use very simple language for this one. The word alpha is originally the first letter of the Greek alphabet. It was given the meaning you are using in 1947 by Rudolf schenkel, a German biologist. (If you don’t follow “science”, you can’t really use a scientist to prove an argument fyi).
It was Schenkel himself (in the same year) who said he was wrong. I’m not going into the reasons but google is free if you want to check it out for yourself.
If we go back to google and type the words “what is an alpha”, it won’t give you the definition you want. You have to type “what is an alpha adjective personality” and your top hits will come from quora (which is opinion over fact) and pop psychology sites (which you won’t believe because “science”).
Now, let’s consider your example of the hummingbird. They are a solitary bird, meaning they don’t move in groups, so trying to use them in this argument is pointless. They cannot exhibit a group heirarchy if they don’t have a group. What you are seeing is a territory battle. And is most likely to be a female chasing off an unwanted suitor.
Can I ask, which dictionary did you get your definition from, because I actually couldn’t find that, which is super weird.

The definition he used is on Dictionary dot com, under the adjective definition.

However the OED and Cambridge dictionaries dont reference such a description.

I also found it amusing that he used lions as a basis for his comparisson considering Male Lions are bascally the lazy bums of the pride, they do no hunting, all they do is eat, sleep and act as a moble spern bank, yes they occasionally defend territory and the pride from roaming solo males who are likely to kill any cubs they cime across.

[Ba****]

34 minutes ago, TheBookCollector said:

The definition he used is on Dictionary dot com, under the adjective definition.

However the OED and Cambridge dictionaries dont reference such a description.

I also found it amusing that he used lions as a basis for his comparisson considering Male Lions are bascally the lazy bums of the pride, they do no hunting, all they do is eat, sleep and act as a moble spern bank, yes they occasionally defend territory and the pride from roaming solo males who are likely to kill any cubs they cime across.

Yes, I found it eventually. But I had to type the full sentence and search for the direct quote.

Male lions, while lazy compared to the lionesses, do actually have some use within a pride. They are greater in size with a more intimidating roar. They help secure the kill, defend territories and protect the lionesses and cubs. That doesn’t stop the vast majority of prides being strong matriarchal communities.

I actually have a BSc hons in marine zoology and zoology so that problematic, shouty little Maga wannabe won’t win an argument about the *** kingdom against me. It’s cute he’s trying though.

[CopperKnob]

6 minutes ago, BackRubsNBruises said:

Yes, I found it eventually. But I had to type the full sentence and search for the direct quote.

Male lions, while lazy compared to the lionesses, do actually have some use within a pride. They are greater in size with a more intimidating roar. They help secure the kill, defend territories and protect the lionesses and cubs. That doesn’t stop the vast majority of prides being strong matriarchal communities.

I actually have a BSc hons in marine zoology and zoology so that problematic, shouty little Maga wannabe won’t win an argument about the *** kingdom against me. It’s cute he’s trying though.

Ooo, where did you study? I do laugh, people think they "know" from visiting the zoo when they were kids 🤣

[Ba****]

5 minutes ago, CopperKnob said:

Ooo, where did you study? I do laugh, people think they "know" from visiting the zoo when they were kids 🤣

And social media. But people tend to forget they create echo chambers for their existing beliefs by following accounts and joining groups with a similar world view to themselves.
I studied at Bangor in Wales.

[Th****]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:36 AM, eyemblacksheep said:

yes, that's right

the study was done on captive wolves and it was found that behaviours were different in the wild (ie. natural habitat)

Effectively, some of the behaviours in captive wolves are similar to if you throw people into prison with no prior relationships or friendship, structure etc. 

Yes, this exactly. Captive and, more importantly, *unrelated* wolves put together at various ages of adolescence and adulthood. Humans in prison is a very good analogy. 

In actuality the dominant wolves in a pack are simply the breeding pair.  All of the subordinate wolves in the pack automatically defer to *both* the breeding male and female and often moreso to the female because they are their offspring. Neither of them *** anything and there is very little, if any, *** within a pack as that would be counterproductive to the health of the pack and their very existence.