Big difference in male and female subs

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  Sunday at 06:35 PM, ThaliaV said:

This. Most men who claim to be submissives, in fact aren't. They haven't a clue what it actually entails and are generally resistant to doing any sort of research and education on their own. They expect to be spoon fed everything "teach me, train me." Why? Why would any woman want to? What's in it for them? Usually, not enough to make the idea appealing. 

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Thats a confirmation of a double standard..
It might be true that many man are not “ready” or they might “expect things” as you say: I guess come down to each person and we can’t generalize this data.

Something instead very certain is that submissive woman can be inexperienced and yet they are very welcomed to be in taught by man(not every man).
So why would any man do that? What’s in it for them?
Also to submissive woman no payment is required or expected because they lack of experience..

That happens with many man in the femdom world, even to experienced one..

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  1 hour ago, Australopiteco said:

Something instead very certain is that submissive woman can be inexperienced and yet they are very welcomed to be in taught by man(not every man).
So why would any man do that? What’s in it for them?

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I think this should be pretty self explanatory

Women see inexperienced men as work.

Men see inexperienced women as an opportunity.

So when men who are inexperienced and show little effort show up, the women know they will be hard work - because they've not put in basic effort and will usually have unrealistic expectations.  

When women who are inexperienced show up, men think what they can get out of the situation - be it telling them what their version of submission is, effectively having someone to do the housework and give blowjobs on demand.

In both cases, the man is centred around their own fantasies.

I don't get why this is generally hard to grasp.

  1 hour ago, Australopiteco said:

Also to submissive woman no payment is required or expected because they lack of experience..

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So, this isn't entirely true.

A lot of Pro Dommes have female clients as well as male, and the women pay just the same.

A Male Pro Master again charges everyone the same

Anyone attending training, workshops, etc. is expected to pay regardless of gender (excluding any that are free, obvs)

Even aside for subs, there are those who hold classes for Dominants and again these come with a charge.   

 

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  2 hours ago, eyemblacksheep said:

So, this isn't entirely true.

A lot of Pro Dommes have female clients as well as male, and the women pay just the same.

A Male Pro Master again charges everyone the same

Anyone attending training, workshops, etc. is expected to pay regardless of gender (excluding any that are free, obvs)

Even aside for subs, there are those who hold classes for Dominants and again these come with a charge.   

 

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Exactly.. Double standards shouldn’t be a tabù or hard to grasp.. it’s just the way it is..
I just wanted who wrote the statement to think about that..

And btw I’ve never seen a woman paying for being taught being submissive.
A male pro dom charging a woman for being her sub also never seen that in my life..
I think paying customers are always all male in all cases

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  30 minutes ago, Australopiteco said:

Exactly.. Double standards shouldn’t be a tabù or hard to grasp.. it’s just the way it is..
I just wanted who wrote the statement to think about that..

And btw I’ve never seen a woman paying for being taught being submissive.
A male pro dom charging a woman for being her sub also never seen that in my life..
I think paying customers are always all male in all cases

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Women pay for the services of escorts etc - not to the extent men do, but professional male escorts/dominants are definitely a thing.
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I watched a very good documentary about a NY dungeon years ago (Fetishes - Nick Broomfield) in which they featured both the Dommes that worked there and their clients and women featured amongst the clients.
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I'm also not sure what you were calling out was a double standard so much, more a "different" standard - one that highlights the different experiences of men and women in this world and those experiences can't necessarily be compared.

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  1 hour ago, Australopiteco said:

And btw I’ve never seen a woman paying for being taught being submissive.
A male pro dom charging a woman for being her sub also never seen that in my life..
I think paying customers are always all male in all cases

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So, umm.  I have.

Obviously there is client confidentiality and discretion, but I've seen many times when assumptions are made and a Pro will respond "you assume all my clients are male, they are not"

Likewise, while there are not as many male Pro Masters compared to Pro Dommes, they still exist and have a mix of clients

The reason (some) women use these is often not entirely different to men.

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the thing kinda also regarding 'double standards' is a lot isn't double standards because it is materialistically different

So for a point in hand, a male sub who is expecting a Domme to be experienced, knowledgeable, etc. while he himself has shown little/no effort to gain experience/knowledge is an example of double standards.

Of course for the male sub they might assert that they are in fact willing to learn and ultimately they want a Domme who is ALSO a mentor for them, but of course this is extra work so understandable someone may not wish to take on.

(what a Male Dominant might do with a female sub is NOT a case of double standards because these are different people)

Equally this is ultimately someone choosing who they wish to even be in a relationship with.  So if this hypothetical Domme turns down one person who approaches her who is inexperienced, but agrees to a relationship with someone else who is inexperienced, then there's nuance to consider.   Like for example other interests or connection. It's not double standards to choose who you start a relationship with.